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Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:03 pm
by Marrakai
Yeah, thought I'd better put my money where my mouth is on screw size.

Here's a couple of comparative pics:

L&S Bass-Master on the left, Swayback No.1 on the right:
Bellbrook Midget on the left, Heddon Midget River Runt on the right:
Apologies for the state of my Bellbrooks- they have worked hard for a living! Image

Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:24 pm
by oldfish

Gee,it would be hard to know for sure the date of a Bellbrook.Even I am guilty of putting a lure which matched the model and colour into an empty box

and then years later forgetting what you have done.The only ones I am fairly confident belong to a cardboard box would be the crumbled ones.I will check the size of

those screws against all my others tomorrow and let you know.If I had to guess in advance,if Bellbrooks have differing size screws I would expect the larger screws to be

in the later lures as an improvement?? Will also be looking for small differences in hardware shape with a magnifying glass after your great photos. bowsmilie

Another project for me now is to check magazines and catalogues to work out when Southam changed to the plastic box.Will it never end??


Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:56 pm
by oldfish
G'day Marrakai,

My eyes are still spinning.Have a couple of sinkers which would appear to be newer by condition,which have larger screws

than the rest of my Bellbrook wobblers (as I had expected) The other thing I noticed was a possible change in shape of the

hanger for the front treble.The early ones look nicer,high and narrow where the later ones are more flattened and spread.

Also have one older Swayback No 2 (with the writing on the bib) which has a smaller screw than all my other No 2s.

Couldn't see any differences among the Swayback No 1s.


Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:14 am
by Marrakai
It occurred to me during this thread that the early Bellbrooks may have emulated the small screw sizes of the American lures (...and I'll grant, may have even been the American lures re-badged under licence), and when found wanting, were upgraded with fan-fare suggesting improved screw strength over the imports (rather than improvements in Southam's own inadequate hardware!).

Just smart advertising...!

Surely there are still manufacturers/retailers/distributors alive today who would know this?

You couldn't mold thousands of plastic lures per year in Australia in the 1950s and not have a lot of people involved!

Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:34 pm
by Marrakai
Well, call me crazy... (guilty as charged!)...

...but I was sitting around bored this arvo (wifey has a work colleague over for drinks... Image ) so I decided to try and find a Tenite 1 'shrunken Runt' for sale (cheap!) on the web somewhere to spice up the Heddon collection.

Ended up buying these three puppies at the right price:
When they arrive, I intend to select the 'best' (worst!) one for display (probably the one in the top photo), and salvage the 'flap-rig' hardware off the others to make a couple of repro timber Model 740 Punkinseeds for billabong barra-fishing.

I reckon that would be a truly satisfying thing to do! Image

Whaddya reckon: should I use larger screws...? Image

Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:49 pm
by simon bruce
Collecting lures is one thing, but seriously....

Collecting damaged lures. ???

Is there no end to this obsession we call lure collecting.

Be interesting to see the results of using the hardware, my only comment in response to your query about screw size was initially going to be to go big but I guess it is a trade off between getting purchase in the lure body and damaging the lure by putting too big or coarse a crew thread into it.

Re: Early Spook Deterioration Rate

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:22 pm
by Jigmaster
The lures that were made with Tenite 1 werre the ones that deteriorated, but even that can vary with some batches holding up well.

Improvements to the stabilisers in the formula made Tenite 2 lures do much better - but of coarse a dashboard on ahot summer day can do wicked things ro most plastic lures!!