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ANCIENT River Runts

Post by fishaholiclures » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:38 pm

found these hiding in the bottom of my bits 'n bobs box, forgot they were ene there lol
Wooden River runts, the Rainbow one even has GLASS eyes.
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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by MXB » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:02 pm

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Very nice old woods there . . . not common those and fetching good dollars in USA

Looking at 1930's??

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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by fishaholiclures » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:55 pm

Hi Rob,
The Glass eyed 110 would be somewhere around 1929 to 1931, the Gold eyed one probably 1931 to 1933 when the shape changed to the scooped nosed profile we recognise so well.
Funny thing is I got these 2 in a mixed lot of about 20 beatup runts I bought to supply parts for rehabilitation and rework a few to fish with, I wonder if the seller really knew what was in that box lol
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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by MXB » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:09 am

fishaholiclures wrote:Hi Rob,
The Glass eyed 110 would be somewhere around 1929 to 1931, the Gold eyed one probably 1931 to 1933 when the shape changed to the scooped nosed profile we recognise so well.
Funny thing is I got these 2 in a mixed lot of about 20 beatup runts I bought to supply parts for rehabilitation and rework a few to fish with, I wonder if the seller really knew what was in that box lol
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Hey Brad . . . maybe didn't know they were the old woods although they do look different from the later ones. I was looking at a few lately but decided to stay away since it is a whole new market and a specialist one

Any chance of showing the hangers when you have time to do another photo??

Love the old glass eyed ones

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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by fishaholiclures » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:37 pm

Roger,
Here you go
wood runt with L rig.jpg
You actually got me thinking about the red head one, I put the date of the lure at early 30's due to the shape (the shape changed in'1933/4), but then on re-evaluation, the lure has one piece surface hardware which was usually found after 1945. The 'Gold Eye' usually indicates a lure made between 1933 and 1961, so this creates a quanrdy for me...Why is surface mount hardware and Gold eyes on a lure body that was superceded in 1933??
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I might have to bounce this off one of the 'guru's in the US.

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Post by MXB » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:15 pm

Brad . . . that's why I asked;

The first one (older look one has early hardware) - I think they called it L-rig shows the metal extension from the cup and the rear one piece screw in hardware.There are quite a few different style hardwares with on some of the earlier crawlers when they changed again. Before that there were the early Punkinseed hardware etc that had the '2 piece' metal hook hangers.There seems to have been some crossover when changing with some lures of the same era having different belly hardware ie: WW2 Plastic lipped Arbogast Jitterbugs S-rig and 'Toilet seat' hardware as an example.

The R/H is a bit of a mystery unless there was a re-issue in the years you mentioned. It doesn't look like anyone has fiddled with the hardware and replaced so would probably need some USA 'lure guru' to set the story straight.

A bit of a mystery there

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Post by fishaholiclures » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:33 pm

Roger, no worries happy to oblige.
If you click on the pic with the older mounts, I included some pics of the different hardware types and comments.

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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by MXB » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:13 am

fishaholiclures wrote:Roger, no worries happy to oblige.
If you click on the pic with the older mounts, I included some pics of the different hardware types and comments.

Brad

Should of checked that out first but it confirms what I thought . . . . 'Flap Hardware' is the one I was thinking of that I couldn't name;

I found a site that had all of them shown in detail with the eras the other day but can't remember where I filed it!!

Your L-rig River Runt may be a bit earlier than you thought??

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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by fishaholiclures » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:52 am

Roger,
I am pretty sure the age on the glass eyed one is pretty right. The occurrence of the L rig on old shape river runts is fairly uncommon. The single hump L rig was introduced in 1927 on other models and supersceded the double hump version that was used from about 1914/1915. The early river runts were more likely to have either of 2 versions of the 'flap' rig hardware. The earlier 'toilet seat' had a rounded ring around the centre staple, and the 2nd version has the rectangular outer ring.

All in all 2 unique models, which is probably why I still have them buried lol.
??? maybe one day I'll think about listing them in the US along with the other couple of hard to find Heddons I kept out of my yellow shore collection.
I might be able to afford one of those beat up Kadaitcha's then lol

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Re: ANCIENT River Runts

Post by MXB » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:35 pm

fishaholiclures wrote:Roger,
I am pretty sure the age on the glass eyed one is pretty right. The occurrence of the L rig on old shape river runts is fairly uncommon. The single hump L rig was introduced in 1927 on other models and supersceded the double hump version that was used from about 1914/1915. The early river runts were more likely to have either of 2 versions of the 'flap' rig hardware. The earlier 'toilet seat' had a rounded ring around the centre staple, and the 2nd version has the rectangular outer ring.

All in all 2 unique models, which is probably why I still have them buried lol.
??? maybe one day I'll think about listing them in the US along with the other couple of hard to find Heddons I kept out of my yellow shore collection.
I might be able to afford one of those beat up Kadaitcha's then lol

Cheers Brad
Cheers for the info Brad . . . the USA is the place to get rid of them;

They are unique models as you point out and well done to uncover them. Probably pin it down to early 1930's as you indicated

Do you have a yellow shore jointed river runt spook for that wrong box on the other spook shiner I posted with XRY Box? If so send me a PM if you want to get rid of it and send it to a good home : ))

I've given up hope of ever owning a Kadaitcha which is why I specialise in USA stuff!!


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