Wisdom of Old Age

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Re: Wisdom of Old Age

Post by vince. » Tue May 08, 2018 2:18 pm

I have been doing a bit of reading through the old posts on this forum of late and found this one. Had a bit of a chuckle and moved on. I later got to be thinking about it and thought I might comment.

I`m not suggesting for one minute that Jim is anything but perfect, however, I have always been wary of those who think it`s their duty to tell us how we should live our lives. Almost all, to varying degrees, are hypocrites. We have politicians, holy men, philosophers and anybody who can quote some words of wisdom, all telling us what we should be and the best way to get there. From my observations over the years, most of those who quote words of wisdom and moral codes, rarely live by them. This is my little rant and my opinion and can be argued but as Jim rightly points out, no one will win.

I can`t fault any of Jim`s comments except this one, “I see no value in any of us aligning to either side of an argument, this should be a "feel-good' site for lure collectors.” I was always of the opinion that this was primarily an information site trying to give collectors the facts on lures. The feel good part was important and for me it made the site special, but the facts were surely the primary concern. Remember when you wrote this Jim, “I believe all information should be public knowledge (even if it creates more competition for me) and hate the "secret squirrel stuff". “ and this, “You keep saying you know the answers to things but aren't brave enough to tell all us poor ignorant b*stards.” Looks like you were not wanting to feel so good back then, but seeking the truth.

I have always said on this forum that to those who the facts matter, it should matter that they are the facts. Arguing on either side of a moral point will always be of no value. Arguing for the truth or the facts on an information based site, I thought would be a good thing for the collectors who were always asking for the truth. If you just want to feel good and believe everything without question, why would an argument on anything be of concern to you.

In the thread “Latest Batch Pristine Newells” on this site, you will see the perfect example of the no value side of arguing from ignorance or lies and arguing on moral values such as signing lures after the maker is deceased. Up until Mully closed that thread, the only post in that thread that actually addressed the original question and was fact, was deleted. Everything else was based on the initial lies told and certainly of no value.

Arguing for the truth should never be discouraged as it has been and still is on most sites.
Regards.....Vince.

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Re: Wisdom of Old Age

Post by ocd1688 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:10 pm

Time flies faster with old age.
It seems like yesterday when you put this post up my OLD mate.
But are we any wiser ???

“Truth seekers” already know the “truth “ and become “believers”
It is true there is no point to try to convert these believers.
Facts are facts that can be substantiated.

We resurrected this forum to, or hoping to help those new to this lure collecting hobby, if it can be called that, to get some infos and facts.

For example stumpies are getting more followers.
They could read from certain site, I will not mention the name, because I don’t want to start an argument, FFS, that the timber Stumpies came on the market with those flip lid plastic boxes with Stump Jumper size one written on it.
That is NOT a fact.

You don’t care my old mate ???
But I do thumbsupsmilie

So we can have an argument now ???

I know you are busy stuffing yourself with these foreign food and I am not expecting any reply anytime soon howdy

Albert

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Re: Wisdom of Old Age

Post by vince. » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:08 pm

ocd1688 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:10 pm
For example stumpies are getting more followers.
They could read from certain site, I will not mention the name, because I don’t want to start an argument, FFS, that the timber Stumpies came on the market with those flip lid plastic boxes with Stump Jumper size one written on it.
That is NOT a fact.

You don’t care my old mate ???
But I do thumbsupsmilie

So we can have an argument now ???

I know you are busy stuffing yourself with these foreign food and I am not expecting any reply anytime soon howdy

Albert
Sorry to say mate that I have been at the Sashimi horse meat again. Even Snork thought it was good droolsmilie

I still care a little about getting things right, the fact that not many others seem too concerned with the details, makes it a bit difficult to stay interested.

I remember having what you might call a colourful private message discussion with the founder of this new and highly recommended site you are referring to. It’s a great concept, but the problem was always going to be getting the facts right. It does seem that little care has been taken in doing this. The sad thing is that even after stealing most of the info from existing sites, some of the info was changed to make it incorrect. Would have been good if the incorrect info was rectified. Some of the stuff is just fabricated in order to fill the spaces. King Willie Puller lures are a perfect example. No knowledge, but let’s write some crap anyway. WHY -duh Don’t they realise that people read this and it then becomes fact and even King Willie himself wouldn’t change their minds.

Lure makers and lure collectors do tell lies to boost their egos and reputations. This fact alone makes it almost impossible to tell fact from fiction. Lies and poor memories don’t make for great fact finding. Putting it in a purely fact based site doesn’t make it true.
Regards.....Vince.

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